Okay, I've covered this on your wall, but it would be rude not to answer you here. I see you successfully moved the story to your blog, apparently using simple cut and paste. There are more efficient ways using the tools available, but what you did worked. I went behind you and deleted the blank page you left.
As I mentioned, you can offer the JFK story line elsewhere if you want. You can save it to your blog here if you want in the meantime. The failed assassination attempt on JFK is a common one, so you might come up with a better conclusion and resubmit the idea to me here on my wall. Read up on JFK and the 1960's to see what kind of changes his life could have made in contrast to what LBJ did, for instance.
If you want to rebuild the JFK page from scratch, simply change its name to something like "JFK Lives" (shorter page names are best). That will become the "home page" to the story. Beyond that you can put new pages which can be added using "Article title (JFK lives)" format. For instance, you could make a page entitled Space Race (JFK lives) to deal with how he might have pushed congress to fund the space race differently and thus get further along after he left office in 1969.
I saw your post about the Supernova in 1604. Underneath, you said that it was probably beyond reality. Actually, though, I've recently been reading a book called The Exploding Suns, by Isaac Asimov. He discusses said supernova, and actually, it could have caused serious damage to life had it been a bit stronger and a bit closer to Earth- not enough, note, to wipe us out, but enough perhaps to increase cancer rates significantly.
By all means, do so. Red links are more or less an invitation. Of course, I would really love some actual articles on the TIAH page itself. That page is there to encourage readers to read more alternate history and write short "histories" of their own in the form of essays on events in real history.
For instance, anniversaries of the births of famous people are a time to reflect on what life would be like if they had not been born. In the process, you have to think of what contributions they have made. On the anniversaries of great battles, or other events, we get a chance to reflect on them and share those thoughts in a "counterfactual" way.
Absolutely. This is not a gaming site. However, a well written article about "Map Games" and their popularity elsewhere would be appreciated. Such an article would then route the reader to the wiki containing active map games.
I recently found out about this new wiki (via Imp) and wondered if I could move my Timelines here. On the other wiki, there are too many distractions, so while I don't want to leave there, I would like to work on these in... well, exclusion. Would that be all right with you?
You can as long as you only bring over your own creations. Just remember to have them deleted over there. Although this wiki is more for article ABOUT alternate history and established alternate histories, I have left it open for original content, such as what Imp is starting. So, yes, bring whatever you want to write over here. If you just want to place it in your "Sandbox" while working on it, the you can keep the present version open over "there." Anything you do in your sandbox will be totally off limits, but publishing is open to criticism (and adherance to the rules)
I really would like those who follow Mitro's "Alternate History Update" to write articles here. I would love to have articles that tell about authors, books, and story-lines that are widely known.
Hey South. I have begun work on my (and perhaps the wiki's) first TL on this new side. Called It Just Got Real, it is about the Soviets staying a viable power to compete in the Space Race through 3 PoDs - all of which will affect the world in significant and different ways.
My editing on this TL may be sporradic, and as such - if it isn't too much - I would appreciate if you could help me create the TL (if you like). Even popping in to tell me about points you think should be changed would do nicely, lol.
I hope this can lead to the establishment of the wiki as an attractive spot for users.
Plus, if it isn't a too outlandish request, would I be able to get the position of admin on this wiki? And I would appreciate it if you had a look at the TL I am currently focusing on in the Althistory Wiki: Red Sun.
Well, I remarked over on the "It Just Got Real" talk page concerning that. I'll let you lay a foundation and then I'll jump in. Like I say over there, it looks to be a "reverse" ALT, unless I am mistaken.
I'd be glad to add you as an admin. Give me a few days so I can figure out how to assign duties.
As for Red Sun, I see it has been given an "ASB - Environmental" classification. You worked hard to get planets lined up in the a new "green zone" around the red sun. Quite elaborate the way you did it. I'm not sure that the astroid belt would have been a gas giant, but other than that, you did a masterful job.
If you want, you could move it over here and establish a new "alternate worlds" section. I once treatened to build a whole new wiki for just such alternate histories that deal with drastically altered histories like this one. Technically, ASB does not fit the bill for such tales. They are like "Star Wars" -- built on wholly different worlds. My "Sideways Earth" is like that, though I pictured history unfolding up to the Middle Ages in parallel fashion. This Red Sun scenario makes a parallel history unnecessary, which lets you create a whole new universe (allowing for the "Star Trek" fiction to unfold just about the same way!).
Actually, its not that majorly objected to there on the althistory, as I have made it clear that it is just for pure reading. When I asked for 2 new species idea, LG actually even contributed. Crim was the one who set up the planets, although I have to say I have been doing a few alterations to the chain as well as creating the pages.
I see what you mean with ASB. Yeah, sometimes the classification can get annoying - but the worst ASB categores are ASB - Biased and ASB - Random. If you don't have those two, its all good, lol. Funny you mention that Star Trek thing. My plans are, toward the twilight years of the timeline, the humans will be making breakthroughs in that field.
In the last part of my timeline, the Phenoix will be ready to be launched (its a play on ironicy due to the fact that in the Star Trek over *there*, the first warp ship was the Firefox).
To answer your question about the "what if?" senario. It is a what if senario, but from the eyes of an OTL view into the looking glass and into this "alternate" universe. I'm not a big fan of the ATL PoV either, its just too tricky, lol.
So yeah. But I'm going to need a lot of help on the researching part, lol.
Okay, I guess I don't know that much about the Russian side of the space race. I thought it was a lot closer. The way that last paragraph was worded, it sounded just like OTL. Multiple POD's don't really work with me. If an event doesn't cause enough butterflies on its own, an alternate time line is not strong enough to stand on its own as literature. In theory, of course, it would exist, but randomly adding more POD's to simplify (or spice up) the story isn't my style.
However, I will work with you on this. Maybe we could make the POD's relate to one another in some way. I mean, like having one lead to another via butterfly effect. If the "Nedeline catastrophe" had not occured, I'm sure the soviets would have been somewhat more successful. Finding the names and possible bios of those men might be a bit hard. We can assume a little edge would have been gained, though. That program was a secret military ICBM project, though, and was not directly connected with the space program.
An escalated arms race at the time, though, might have redirected Kennedy's energy's, keeping him away from Dallas in 1963. His "space race" speech (May 25, 1961, early in his administration) was six months after the failed launch that killed the soviet scientists (October 24, 1960, a few weeks before a very close election). In the ALT, a successful launch (if detected) may have changed the emphasis in 1960 and 1961). As it was, the Soviets had a man in orbit before our first suborbital flight (which had been planned and postponed). Our delays were for many reasons, including a test flight that didn't go as planned.
What do you have planned as far as improving the Soviet program? Would Kennedy serving eight years have helped the war effort in Viet Nam? I'm guessing that he would push hard to get a foot on the moon sooner. Would this have precipitated an accident worse than the Apollo 1 launch pad fire? Or would it have prevented such from happening?
Sorry for the late response, had a few things come up.
It was close, but by the time it came to going to the moon, the Americans had a clear advantage which the Russians were not able to catch up to at all. The last paragraph is meant to give a sort of deja vu feeling. It is the point from when the effects of the PoD's and butterflies come into play.
I agree with you on that point, maybe the one PoD could butterfly into having the same effect as the second and third PoDs?
That might be the program that is in my head, although I am not sure. Yeah, it makes sense for Kennedy to not be in Dallas in '63, saving him from a harsh fate I reckon. I think he would go on to be a good leader, diverting funds efficiently and cleverly between the space program and Vietnam.
I think the Apollo 1 fire was a wake up call, and it may still happen here. However, I feel as if that the Space Race would intensify, and as it drew more funds from the Soviet treasury, the Soviets would not aid the Vietnamese as much and eventually allow America to win the war.
As for what happens with the Space Race, I'll back to you on that. I do think it will be an interesting project.
I like good natured. I assume you know that I am the founder.
I am doing better. Thanks for asking. I had been having stomach problems for over a month and finally got quite expensive scans done (first bill on new insurance -- not a good time for the large deductable!). I'll find out something tomorrow.
I figured it was just a glitch in the system. It is a bit of a change from the talk pages of other wikis, but in a way, it is better. It is more like other social media in which the only ones that can edit are those who post. It keeps it honest. SouthWriter (talk) 16:16, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
Wow. That's the "home world" of alternate historians. I've noted they have a "wiki" which they created for getting around to the timelines and other articles. It looks "low tech," that is, not in the official "wikia" paradigm. I am not sure that any writers would be interested in what I am doing here, but you can make my wiki known to them.
Though I am open to original works, the stories on my site are to be sourced by the writers and are subject to quality control (spelling and grammar) to included as full articles. I will not be a tyrant and will enlist the help of others as administrators as the need arises. I hate to say it, but bad selling is a little erksome. Grammar, while sometimes bad, cannot be checked as easily before posting, so I don't see that as much of a problem.
By the way, the signiture picture is too small to be recognizable. I would suggest using just one of the lunar modules as the full size version which you reduce to 30 px. SouthWriter (talk) 18:23, October 12, 2012 (UTC)